Argument Structure Questions - - Question 8

Pedigreed dogs, including those officially classified as working dogs, must conform to standards set by organizations...

Sturnerg5 February 11, 2020

I am still confused on the Answer, can you please help me out?

So I chose E as the answer cause I read it a supporting premise and not a subsidiary conclusion. I am wondering what I am missing?

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Skylar February 13, 2020

@Sturnerg5, happy to help!

The good news is that a subsidiary conclusion is still a type of premise, so you're close.

Specifically, (E) states that the phrase "provides evidence necessary to support a claim stated earlier in an argument." This is incorrect for two reasons.

First, the claim that this phrase is supporting (i.e. the overall conclusion) is not stated earlier in the argument. Instead, the conclusion is the very last sentence, which states that "pedigree organizations should set standards requiring working ability in pedigreed dogs classified as working dogs."

Second, one could make the argument that the evidence the phrase introduces is not actually "necessary" support. Instead of the example of "herding ability," the passage could have given a different example and still could have come to the same conclusion. Moreover, the passage could have come to the same conclusion without an example here.

Therefore, (E) is factually incorrect.

When you are distinguishing between premises and subsidiary conclusions, it may be helpful to remember that both are supporting the overall conclusion but only one is also supported by other information in the passage. In other words, a subsidiary conclusion will have at least one premise that supports it directly, while a normal premise won't. In turn, both will support the overall conclusion.

Does that make sense? Please let us know if you have any other questions!

Sturnerg5 February 13, 2020

Thank you for the response. I understand how you described it and will keep that in mind. Thank you again

Skylar February 13, 2020

@Sturnerg5, glad that it makes sense. Please don't hesitate to reach out with any other questions and best of luck with your studies!

Raechel-Brodsky May 18, 2020

Hi, I also chose E initially. I have tried to read this over and over again to see familiarize myself with structure and practice identifying premise, conclusion, and if necessary subsidiary conclusion relationships but am having trouble with identifying the difference and really scoping out what is the conclusion and what are the premise. Do you recommend any way that I may be able to better myself at this technique for the passages that are very wordy?

Raechel-Brodsky May 22, 2020

Hi there! I was doing my missing premise drills in the S and N section of the program and am tied up on one of the set ups that states:

P: X-Y
P:
C: Y exists

The answer for the missing premise was that x exists which I thought did not necessarily have to be true as Y is necessary for Xs existence but not vice verse.
I would ask on the flash card but it doesn't give me that option. Can someone help me?

Raechel-Brodsky May 22, 2020

I thought that Y could exist without X..

Raechel-Brodsky May 22, 2020

I'm sorry I didn't know where else to ask

Skylar May 31, 2020

@Raechel-Brodsky, I'm happy to help!

The drill you mentioned is:
P: X -> Y
P: ?
C: Y exists

Our first step should be to make any possible deductions we can. This gives us:
P: X -> Y
not Y -> not X
P: ?
C: Y exists

Now, what will allow us to connect our given premise to our conclusion? We need to know that X exists. This is because X is sufficient for Y. If we are told that X exists, we can conclude that the variable to its right also exists. Y is only necessary for X, so it is not enough to say anything about X or its existence. You seemed to have this reversed, which I believe caused your confusion.

Our final answer is then:
P: X -> Y
not Y -> not X
P: X exists
C: Y exists

Does that make sense? Best of luck with your continued studies!