The passage states which one of the following?

YHD on April 18, 2018

Difficulty in choosing different approach

Hi, comparing example questions 1 & 2 with example questions 4 & 5 Questions 1 & 2 uses all the relevant sufficient necessary diagrams to properly deduct conclusions whereas questions 4 & 5 just kinda freely draws out personal layouts to answer the question. I am still confused as to what approach I should choose when answering questions?

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josepablosalas on July 6, 2018

Hi, I am also confused about question 4. When I diagrammed it myself, I actually used quantifiers since it clearly states "a majority" which I assumed it to be a "most" statement. Then, when I saw the video explanation, It was a totally different diagram that we haven't even seen before. How do we know what approach to use?

josepablosalas on July 6, 2018

Hi again, just saw the video explanation for question 5 and have the same question I had for question 4. Please explain why we don't use S&N conditions when there are several keywords like "all", "when", and "no."

josepablosalas on July 6, 2018

I'm sorry. I'm actually confused with questions 5 and 6, not 4.

Tony on October 13, 2018

I am having the same problem as everyone below

kylaportnoy on January 17, 2019

Same here, with the reason for question 4 and 5. Can you guys answer?

Ravi on February 14, 2019

@YHD, @josepablosalas, @melissakaijukags, and @noname,

Happy to help.

These are great questions. The reality is that both methods work, and
Mehran used both to show how you can approach problems in slightly
different ways and still arrive at the correct answer in must be true

There is no set way to solve these problems; it really depends on a
case-by-case basis. For 1 and 2, when I solved them, I used diagrams,
just they appear in the video explanations for these questions.

For question 4, there is only one conditional statement, and it deals with

book published after 1712 in country Y - >approved by censor

The other statements are just facts, and you need to have a strong
understanding of what they say in order to arrive at the conclusion.
While math isn't necessary on the LSAT, it can help to be good with
numbers to see how if the first censor only approved half of the
manuscripts submitted, but the second censor approved 75% (but the
first and second censors had the same number of approvals), then of
course the first censor received more book manuscripts that were
submitted for approval than the second censor did.

For question 5, it is totally fine to draw out conditional statements.
Mehran provides an alternative way of making a diagram, but if it's
easier for you to see the connections via conditional statement
diagramming, then by all means, do that.

When I solved question 5, I used conditional statements and
quantifiers in diagramming the stimulus.

For question 5, I diagrammed the first sentence as follows:

TT - >older than maples

For the second sentence, I diagrammed it like this:

GS - most - older than maples

For the third sentence, I diagrammed it like this:

Maples - >older than dogwoods

For me, mapping out the stimulus like this helped me to easily see
that (E), some sycamores are not as old as the youngest tulip trees,
was the correct answer.

Diagramming these statements using conditional diagramming and
quantifier diagramming better helped me to see the connections, and it
sounds like that's the case for several of you. If that's true, then
you should diagram questions like these with conditional and
quantifier diagramming. There is no set rule; do whatever is best for
you and gives you the greatest intuitive understanding of the problem.

For question 6, I also diagrammed using conditional statements.

For the first sentence, I diagrammed as follows:

Headache pills - >can stop headache

For the second sentence, I diagrammed it as

In pain - >want relief right away

For the third sentence, I diagrammed it as

Headache pill that's not Danaxil - >doesn't stop pain more quickly

Having mapped the stimulus like this, it allowed me to easily see that
(C), Evelyn's headache will be relieved at least as quickly as Jane's,
is the correct answer. It sounds like you guys might also prefer
diagramming these types of questions in normal conditional statements.
However, as is shown in the video explanations, there are multiple
ways to get the question right, and you don't necessarily have to
diagram them in any particular way. Diagram them in the way that helps
YOU best understand what's going on. If you're like me, then using the
conditional statement and quantifier diagramming is most helpful on
these types of problems.

Does this make sense? Let us know if you have any more questions!

shafieiava on March 16, 2019

I still don't understand why one can't use quantifier statements to map out claims such as "one half of the book manuscripts are submitted to the censor were not approved for publication." I mapped that as B most not P. And the center before uses all which indicates a sufficient and necessary claim? Which I mapped as B-> C. I don't understand how you are supposed to know that these key words in this passage don't indicate sufficient and necessary conditions, especially when in other passages that are just facts we use the facts to make conclusions.